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Post by VMRO on Nov 9, 2004 20:16:41 GMT -5
Mr Ekshi Sou, Vancho Miihajlov apparently said that, are you from the MPO (Macedonian Patriotic Association) from northern America? hmmmm, what bulgarian population in Vardar Macedonia? the Bulgarofili in one village of Ohrid?
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Post by MrEkshisou on Nov 10, 2004 10:19:46 GMT -5
VMRO writes: "Mr Ekshi Sou, Vancho Miihajlov apparently said that, are you from the MPO (Macedonian Patriotic Association) from northern America? hmmmm, what bulgarian population in Vardar Macedonia? the Bulgarofili in one village of Ohrid? "
Yes, I am Alusheff from the MPO.
I have no answer to the question you directly asked me. Clearly, Mihailoff is referring to the way he and the outside world understood the population of Vardar to be, in 1912. Don't misconstrue the posted article as something that I personally said.
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Post by VMRO on Nov 10, 2004 17:05:14 GMT -5
Mr Alusheff,
Mihajlov was a Vrhovist and doesnt suprise me by him claiming the vardar population of Macedonia as Bulgarian, but enough of that, MPO? alot of stories have arisen from that orginisation, is it Pro Bulgarian or is it rightfully Macedonian? because i have heard stories you have a Potrait of the bulgarian prime minister and Ljubco Giorgievski?
also 1 more quick question, your surname sounds familiar, are you the president of MPO or something similar?
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Post by VMRO on Nov 10, 2004 17:07:22 GMT -5
oops hehehe, 1 more question Alusheff? isnt suppose to be Alushev? how come Macedonians in America, and i mean members of MPO have their surnames like that?
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Post by Komita on Nov 10, 2004 18:32:31 GMT -5
MPO has some pro Bulgarian elements, it was formed by Vrhovsti, as in the previous years it has moved towards the Macedonian side, but there is still some Bulgarian councious in some of the members.
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Post by MrEkshisou on Nov 10, 2004 21:16:26 GMT -5
oops hehehe, 1 more question Alusheff? isnt suppose to be Alushev? how come Macedonians in America, and i mean members of MPO have their surnames like that? yes, I guess it is sposed to be alushev, but when Dedo came here in 1907 the intake officers at Ellis Island made Cyrillic "OB' and "EB" to " off' and 'eff' . I have no idea why, but all us Macedonians, Bulgarians and Russians who spring from the 'purvo immigratzia" (1900 to 1920's) have 'ff's at the end of our names. Stephanoff, Popoff, Pogancheff, Valianoff, Nicholoff, Zlatkoff, Turpcheff, etc.
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Post by MrEkshisou on Nov 10, 2004 21:23:27 GMT -5
Mr Alusheff, Mihajlov was a Vrhovist and doesnt suprise me by him claiming the vardar population of Macedonia as Bulgarian, but enough of that, MPO? alot of stories have arisen from that orginisation, is it Pro Bulgarian or is it rightfully Macedonian? because i have heard stories you have a Potrait of the bulgarian prime minister and Ljubco Giorgievski? I know nothing about a picture of Lubcho and Parvanov. The MPO is a Macedonian organization. period. Think about it, bratchko, don't you think that the idea of a free and idependent, united Macedonia is a horrifying thought for the grek-turk gov't, the serbian gov't, the bulgarian gov't, the grek-turk Church and, more recently for the MOC? Don't you think that the reason there have been "All the stories" about MPO is part of the 'divide and conquer' ploys of the enemies of the Macedonian People and Nation? The MPO is the oldest continuously functional Macedonian rights and cultural organization in the world. I think that says enough. also 1 more quick question, your surname sounds familiar, are you the president of MPO or something similar? No, I'm not the president. A guy from Prilep, named Chris Evanoff, is president. www.macedonian.org
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Post by Komita on Nov 10, 2004 23:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by MrEkshisou on Nov 11, 2004 8:14:52 GMT -5
What, exactly, sounds 'pretty much pro bulgarian" to you?...what are you reading at the above links that I am missing?....What exactly is pro bulgarian mean anyways?....Macedonia for the Macedonians is the slogan. There is nothing in those links that say anything about Bulgaria or a wish to unify or federate with Bulgaria. Where do you get this stuff?...Honestly, I can only think there is a serbian bhind these 'stories"
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Post by VMRO on Nov 11, 2004 19:35:52 GMT -5
hang on, nobody mentioned anything about serbians, the only way serbians would be involved is if we were talking about the Macedonian Orthodox Church,
i read the links, there sentences with "Bulgarian population of Macedonia" what bulgarian population?
MrEkshisou, as by your nickname i gather your from Egejska Makedonija, such as my self i originate from Kostursko, i just want to ask you a simple question, Is there people in MPO who beleive Macedonians are Bulgarians? just answer me that, is there any Macedonians in MPO with a Bulgarian Consiounce?
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Post by MKD-PRESPA on Nov 12, 2004 20:56:07 GMT -5
This Is What I Have Gathered:
Most of the displaced population from the grek-turk civil war, including the refugee children, fled to Eastern Block countries such as Yugoslavia, Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and the Soviet Union. After the civil war, the majority, including children were not allowed to return home. So, after years of life in limbo away from home and loved ones, most immigrated to the Republic of Macedonia, Canada, the USA and Australia in an attempt to re-unite with their families and find a better life.
What they found is that grek-turk and Bulgarian torment was not confined to Macedonia. The grek-turk and Bulgarian campaigns of the late 1800's were alive and well in the Diaspora. Organizations such as the pro-Bulgarian "Macedonian Patriotic Organization" (MPO) and the pro-grek-turk Pan Macedonians were formed to attract and divide the growing Macedonian immigration. Macedonians that immigrated early (start of the 20th century) organized village associations to assist fellow immigrants adjust in their new countries. These village associations were now becoming a threat to grek-turk influence over the Macedonian population at home and in the Diaspora.
As the associations grew in strength so did their threat. With help from grek-turk Embassies and Consulates pro-grek-turk factions infiltrated some associations and rendered them mute. Many resisted and managed to preserve their unique Macedonian identity. For those that resisted the grek-turks formed parallel pro-grek-turk associations. This way when the Macedonian association organized an event the pro-grek-turk association organized a similar event at the same time. Macedonians that could be influenced were discouraged from joining Macedonian organizations and were offered the grek-turk alternative.
While the pro-grek-turk organizations worked openly to divide Macedonians, the pro-Bulgarian MPO took a more covert approach. While its rhetoric openly promoted "Macedonian for the Macedonians" its constitution harboured pro-Bulgarian agendas. Macedonians may have become a minority in former turkish republic of greece but they are strong in numbers in the Diaspora. In addition to village associations the Macedonian communities built churches, schools and formed cultural groups over the years. Organizations, such as the United Macedonians of Canada, with primary objectives to "unite all Macedonians", were formed and have grown in strength but have not totally eliminated grek-turk and Bulgarian influence. Financed by former turkish republic of greece many newspapers, publications, radio and television programs continuously bombard the people with grek-turk propaganda.
One hundred and fifty years ago there were no grek-turk-Macedonians, Bulgarian-Macedonians, Serbian-Macedonians, Albanian-Macedonians or Slav-Macedonians, there were only Macedonians. No matter what they call us we are still "Macedonians".
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Post by VMRO on Nov 15, 2004 6:02:12 GMT -5
Prespaaaaaaaaaaaaa LoL
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Post by PituGuli on Nov 15, 2004 20:08:39 GMT -5
i heard too that MPO has bulgarian elements.
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Post by MKD-PRESPA on Nov 19, 2004 3:14:02 GMT -5
They have some bulgarian elements, but they support the true macedonians which is all that counts:
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Post by dulo on May 29, 2006 6:05:27 GMT -5
Well as i know the driver of Ivan Mihailov was the killer of serbian king,and Ivan Mihailov declare himself as a bulgarian from Macedonia.
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